Yet another helmet thread

Discussion in 'Technical Chat' started by Tom Crispin, Feb 28, 2011.

  1. Tom Crispin

    Tom Crispin Guest

    Sorry! I forgot to post the link... (I hope the wonderful mods managed
    to *reject - mistake* my previous post.)


    My elder brother is in Bahrain working with NATO and other nations,
    including China, Russia, India and other naval powers. With these
    nations' officers, he is helping to coordinate the placement of naval
    ships off the Horn of Africa to help deter pirate attacks in the area.

    Knowing my love of cycle helmets, he has sent me some photos of the
    headgear well-dressed Bahrain rioters are wearing.

    I think it's quite funny - especially the baguette and ham sandwich
    worn by the rioter in photo image007. Enjoy!
    Tom Crispin, Feb 28, 2011
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    Sara Guest

    Lovely! Nothing like an early morning giggle to start the day.
    Sara, Mar 1, 2011
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    Matt B Guest

    LOL. In a similar vein, here's an idea that some of our friends in
    Northern Ireland might be interested in perhaps: <>. ;-)
    Matt B, Mar 1, 2011
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    thirty-six Guest

    This would function in a similar manner to a popcorn cap. Does a loaf
    of bread tied on with a piece of tape outperform a popcorn cap
    though? Here's an oportunity for bakers around the nation to help
    make Britain Great again. (actually I don't think we did it last
    time, something to do with takeovers and industrial unrest coupled to
    a shite economy. )
    thirty-six, Mar 1, 2011
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    Wm... Guest

    Mon, 28 Feb 2011 23:00:57 <>
    Probably not ham.
    I did.
    Wm..., Mar 1, 2011
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    Tony Raven Guest

    It would be good if Yusuf Garba, Commander of the Kano Federal Road
    Safety Commission were to go to court too "so he can explain why he
    thinks wearing a helmet is good for their safety"

    Tony Raven, Mar 1, 2011
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    Tony Raven Guest

    I can see the marketing campaign strapline now:

    "Use your loaf"

    Tony ;-)
    Tony Raven, Mar 1, 2011
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    Ian Jackson Guest

    Off-topic, but: I would quibble with the word "rioters". If you don't
    mean to take the Bahraini government's side I think you should pick a
    different word.
    Ian Jackson, Mar 1, 2011
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    Tony Raven Guest

    "One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter"
    from Harry's Game by Gerald Seymour

    Tony Raven, Mar 1, 2011
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    Tom Crispin Guest

    My use of the word "rioter" describes an action by a person and is not
    a judgement of right or wrong. It is neutral.

    "Evil rioter" or "just rioter" makes a value statement.

    If the people in the photos were rioting, had been rioting, or were
    planning to riot, then they were rioters.
    Tom Crispin, Mar 1, 2011
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    Chris French Guest

    Presumably if wearing baguettes and sarnis they are peckish rioters?
    Chris French, Mar 1, 2011
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    Tony Raven Guest

    And about to lunch an attack?

    Tony Raven, Mar 1, 2011
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    Ian Jackson Guest

    I don't think most people would see it that way.
    A riot is a form of civil disorder characterized often by disorganized
    groups lashing out in a sudden and intense rash of violence against
    authority, property or people. While individuals may attempt to lead
    or control a riot, riots are typically chaotic and exhibit herd
    behavior, and usually generated by civil unrest.

    Did you intend to suggest that what was going on was a "sudden and
    intense rash of violence against authority" ? That appears to be
    making a judgement about who started the violence, and in this case I
    would say an incorrect judgement.

    Did you intend to suggest that the people you pictured were "chaotic
    and [exhibiting] herd behaviour" ? That's not very flattering.

    I would have used the word "protester". I don't claim that that's
    neutral, but then I don't intend to be neutral. If you don't intend
    to be neutral, and are happy to take the side of the Bahraini security
    apparatus, then fine (well, not fine, but here isn't the place to
    discuss it).
    Ian Jackson, Mar 1, 2011
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    Wm... Guest

    Tue, 1 Mar 2011 18:56:45 <>
    Aaargh! Pass the steak / stake someone :)

    I bet noir there won't be any garlic (gallic) girls in this thread.
    Wm..., Mar 1, 2011
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    Danny Colyer Guest

    I think most would.
    Not really. Saying that one side was involved in violence in no way
    rules out the other side having started it, and only someone very naive
    would think it did.
    You're right. Let's bring it to a close.
    Danny Colyer, Mar 1, 2011
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    Tom Crispin Guest

    I disagree.
    Yes - much of what went on was "sudden and intense violence againt
    authority". I'd leave out the word rash in the case of Bahrain as it
    is sustained.
    Not at all. It makes no such judgement.
    I don't know how well orginised the rioters were, but I image that
    there was both chaotic and herd behaviour. This would be quite
    distinct from the sort of well-organised battle I might expect from an
    invading army.
    If I had to choose sides, I would be on the protesters' side. I am
    sufficiently remote not to have to choose sides.
    Tom Crispin, Mar 1, 2011
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    Wm... Guest

    Tue, 1 Mar 2011 21:27:03 <>
    Tom, DannyC doesn't seem happy with the direction this thread is going.
    Perhaps we should take our lead from him?
    Wm..., Mar 1, 2011
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    Steve Walker Guest

    Yes, let's knock it on the head...
    Steve Walker, Mar 1, 2011
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    Wm... Guest

    Tue, 1 Mar 2011 20:32:22 <85p*>
    Ease up, Ian, you said rash I read rasher as in bacon.
    I thought the hat bit was on topic given that it was Tom wot made the
    posting and his brother that sent him the pics. I think Tom's point was
    the ridiculousness. If some people are going to wear empty water
    bottles or food on their heads to protect themselves from guns who are
    we to say that they might not equally protect us from falling headfirst
    off a bike?
    Wm..., Mar 2, 2011
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    Steve Walker Guest

    Surely the value of a proper helmet for a motorcyclist is established?
    Steve Walker, Mar 2, 2011
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