Wilko bike cable locks no good

Discussion in 'Cycling Archive' started by Gordon Freeman, Oct 28, 2015.

  1. I just stumbled across a clearance offer on an armoured cable lock, only
    £3.99 from Screwfix! Master Lock Braided Steel Armoured Cable 1m x 18mm,
    weight 660g. Although not as thick as the Abus one, it looks ideal to pair
    with my U-lock as a second line of protection and secure the other wheel.
    Somewhat heavier than I really wanted for a secondary lock but I don't feel
    i can trust any un-armoured cable lock any more and it's lighter than a
    second U-lock (and can't argue with the price!)

    Gordon Freeman, Nov 2, 2015
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  2. It might be good, but the guarantee is only for 99 years!
    (see under "specification")
    Kerr Mudd-John, Nov 2, 2015
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  3. Gordon Freeman

    Peter Clinch Guest

    This seems odd... where were you looking?

    A standard Brom M3L (steel frame, gear hub, mudguards) comes in at 11.6
    Kg and you can get that down to 9.7 Kg if you strip off stuff and get
    titanium forks and triangle. Birdy is similar sort of weight to a
    standard Brom, Mezzo around 11 too.
    It's not just weight, but form on stairs, especially if they've got
    corners. My Brom weights more than your road bike, but I can hook the
    saddle easily over a shoulder and let the back wheel hang down and it
    takes up little space beyond me. Full size is much, much more unwieldy
    to carry than a Brom with the back wheel hanging, despite any notional
    weight advantage.
    You can do that with a Brom using the casters at the back. You can put
    rollerskate wheels on to make it roll better, but IME carrying it with
    the back hanging and saddle over the shoulder is easier than buggering
    about with wheeled luggage.

    Peter Clinch, Nov 2, 2015
  4. Gordon Freeman

    kimble Guest

    My Brompton weighs that much, but it's a particularly heavy one, with
    luggage rack, the cheaper (heavier) dynamo lighting, and a retrofitted
    8-speed hub and custom handlebar modification. I think you can get them
    down to ~10kg if you prioritise weight in the specification.

    Other folding bikes are of course available. But it's probably a truism
    that what they lose in the weight of small wheels they tend to make up
    for in the weight of sturdy tubing and hinges.

    Indeed. I wasn't too bothered about the weight of mine, because I don't
    have the knees for carrying things up (and more critically, down)
    stairs, so would be wheeling it everywhere (either unfolded, or on the
    Easy Wheels). At which point plenty of low gears became my priority.

    The Brompton pretty much achieves this with its Easy Wheels and front
    luggage block. It's not as elegant as a two-wheeled trolley, but you
    can certainly use the folded bike+bag/basket as a shopping basket:


    kimble, Nov 2, 2015
  5. Gordon Freeman

    Jolly polly Guest

    Well that's good (and all to rare) news. I don't hear of that often enough.
    Well done The London police. There's hope yet for us who has a missing old
    friend out there.

    Jolly polly, Nov 2, 2015
  6. Gordon Freeman

    Tosspot Guest


    What's a titanium Brompton come in at? That must be under 12.
    Tosspot, Nov 3, 2015
  7. "Well done" in a technical sense, I suppose. But if stolen bikes are
    regularly being pieced out like this, I'm not convinced there's any
    real benefit to recovering what's left. It certainly didn't do me any
    good, and if I'd known the state the thing was in I wouldn't have
    bothered to drive across London to collect it.
    Roger Bell_West, Nov 3, 2015
  8. The Helix article says "Brompton's range-topping S1E-X is a claimed 20.5lb (9.3kg)".
    But I can't get http://www.brompton.com/Buy/Build-your-Brompton below 9.4kg.

    And it costs more than the Helix, though being actually
    available rather than still pre-order is a big advantage.
    Helix $1500US for single speed: http://www.ridehelix.ca/#specifications

    Dahon Helios XX was a claimed 7.7kg, LBS weighed one at 8.23kg
    That was a limited edition in 2002 though, so not easy to find.

    The Helios SL was close, but still not a current model:

    Even a six speed all steel Brompton is a bit under 12kg though,
    as is the Birdy, and a selection of current Dahons.
    Alan Braggins, Nov 3, 2015
  9. Gordon Freeman

    Rob Morley Guest

    When I got mine back the rear wheel was missing and the mudguards had
    been cut off (WTF?) but recovered. But that was only missing for a few
    days, and found when a known thief was brought in for something else.
    Rob Morley, Nov 3, 2015
  10. I picked one of these £3.99 locks up today, and on the packet it says
    "lifetime guarantee" - but whose life? Mine or the lock's?

    In between ordering the thing and picking it up I saw an old review
    from 2007 online of a what looked like a somewhat similar Masterlock
    armoured cable lock which said the armoured sections didn't overlap,
    allowing the cable to be cut in seconds. However mine seems to be a newer
    model (it says 2013 on the packet) and the pieces do overlap. It's hard to
    see how far the overlap extends. I tried bending the cable sharply and at
    first thought I could see the interior cable through the vinyl sleeve but
    on closer examination it was actually a narrower inner flange of the armour
    and the cable itself didn't seem to be visible, so I think the lock is
    probably reasonably secure, and it certainly looks nice and chunky so
    should have some deterrent value, but is rather heavy at 600g (slightly
    less than the advertised weight). With my recent bike theft still fresh in
    my mind I wouldn't trust it as primary security but I think it looks good
    value as a secondary lock in case the U-lock succumbs to a bottle jack
    attack or something.

    The package says it has a 7/10 security level but I can't find any
    definition of what that means.
    Gordon Freeman, Nov 3, 2015
  11. http://www.screwfix.com/p/master-lock-braided-steel-armoured-cable-1m-x-

    I have finally managed to find a review of this lock, on a German website.
    They rated 37 locks on a scale of 1-5.

    The Masterlock 18mm cable that I got for £3.99 (model 8228) scored:
    security: "adequate" (4.5)
    Handling: "good" (2.1)
    Durability: "very good" (1.5)
    Pollutants: "poor" (5.0)

    Using their weightings this gives an overall rating of 3.9 (satisfactory),
    though the headline for the test said "Poor: 5.0" for some reason, which
    was the pollutants rating (whatever that means!).

    The security rating of 4.5 was average for an armoured cable: most scored
    betweem 4.3-4.8, but one of the Abus ones (Abus Iven 8200/110) stood out by
    scoring 2.9 for security.

    The security ratings for the test as a whole were as follows:

    1=Very good (most U-locks)
    2=Good (one-offs from each category of lock)
    3=Satisfactory (some chains)
    4=Adequate (some chains; folding locks; armoured cables; 2 U-locks)
    5=Poor (1 chain lock, 2 armoured cables)

    It is interesting that whilst most U-locks scored security ratings of
    between 1.5 and 1.7, two scored no better than armoured cables with 4.5 for
    security: the Abus Facilo 32/150HB230 + USH32 and the BBB U-Vault.

    The site is in German, I just translated relevent bits using Google
    Translate (which confusingly says "castle" for "lock" everywhere)!
    Gordon Freeman, Nov 3, 2015
  12. You need to look harder.

    Bike Friday is 11kg.

    Downtube Nova is the same (and cheaper).

    Bromptons start at around 9kg.

    Birdys vary but are in the same range.

    Consider one with a hub gear as it makes things *much* tidier.
    ontheinternetnobodyknowsyoureahorse, Nov 8, 2015

  13. I think the problem was my price limit was £300 for a general bike and
    preferably less for a folding one as I didn't expect it would be something
    I'd ride as much for fun, and the Bromptons all seem to be way more than
    that. A quick look at Evans Cycles just now doesn't seem to show any
    Bromptons under £900, and at even at the under-£400 price point 13kg is the
    lightest folding bike where a weight is actually given.

    ISTM that road bikes at a given price point tend to be a few kilos lighter
    than folding bikes of the same price even though the road bikes are
    physically larger. I suppose that as someone else said, the presence of a
    hinge may require a more sturdy frame.
    Gordon Freeman, Nov 9, 2015
  14. There's also the issue that two of those suggestions don't have UK
    distributers :)

    My first folding bike was £3, bought from the recycling centre on the
    grounds that if it came in useful I could buy a decent one. It did come
    in useful, but it wasn't until the main hinge was wobbly with wear that
    I actually justified the cost of a replacement. (I had changed its wheels
    and brakes, and extended its seatpost.) It was well over your weight limit
    though. An old Dawes Kingpin like this, but less tatty:

    For £200 to £300 you could get a second hand Dahon under 12kg (at least
    according to some spec sheets) like

    Or a new Vybe for not much over £300:

    Yes. Which means either a heavier frame, or more expensive materials, or
    a bit of both. (It's not just the frame itself - because the seatpost is
    typically much longer, and not braced at the top like a full size seattube,
    that'll be thicker, and it will act as more of a lever on the seattube.
    Similarly the stem, which will also generally be hinged.)
    Alan Braggins, Nov 10, 2015
  15. Gordon Freeman

    Sam Wilson Guest

    It's not just the hinge, it's that for a given set of parameters you can
    generally make a triangulated space frame lighter than a single girder.
    The design of folding bikes (and indeed that of most small-wheeled
    stepover frames) requires a single main tube instead of a truss.

    Sam Wilson, Nov 11, 2015
  16. Gordon Freeman

    Peter Clinch Guest

    I don't think I'm alone amongst Brom owners in finding it was far more
    useful (and fun too) than I'd envisaged before I had it. In terms of
    number of journeys, if not total distance ridden, it's easily the
    most-used of all my bikes.

    Mine is old enough that they started at under £500 when I got it, but
    when I've finally worn it out I'll get another without hesitation. IME
    they are easily worth what you pay for them.

    Peter Clinch, Nov 11, 2015
  17. There are exceptions, but they're more "can be separated" than "conveniently
    folds", and outside the OP's budget anyway.

    Moultons are truss framed small-wheeled step-over; there are Richie Break-Away
    bikes like the Dahon Allegro or Flo that are a conventional diamond frame.

    Also S+S Bicycle Torque Couplings.

    I'm not aware of anything with hinges in multiple tubes though - there are
    obvious problems that make the girder frame with one hinge much simpler.
    (There are folders with one main hinged tube and one butted joint in a sort-of
    top tube, like the Dahon Espresso or Ridgeback Attache.)
    Alan Braggins, Nov 11, 2015
  18. In uk.rec.cycling.moderated on Wed, 11 Nov 2015 12:09:59 +0000
    definitely not.

    I bought it on, I admit, a bit of a "**** it what else are bonuses
    for" whim, but it turned out to be what got me back into bicycling.

    I had the recumbent but it wasn't getting used much really. The Brom
    plus train worked wonderfully for the commute so the motorcycle was
    no longer used and the 5km commute to the train station that was
    better for the trip to work than the local one increased my fitness
    a lot.

    As I got a lot fitter and at the same time lost a deal of weight
    (which was due a little to cycling but mostly to changing what I ate)
    I rode the 'bent more but I still use the Brom a lot, not just for

    I take it on planes for example... as I ride to the airport, pack it,
    check it as luggage, arrive at destination, unpack and ride from the
    airport. Works well when visiting parents who don't drive and live
    well out of town as the Brom goes on buses and trains so airport to
    train station, on train, then train or bus to parental domicile.

    generally the 'bent is the long distance and haulage bike, the Brom
    for short trips (usually under 10 km) and multi modal.

    Zebee Johnstone, Nov 12, 2015
  19. Gordon Freeman

    kimble Guest

    Indeed. Multi-modal and boot-of-a-car cases aside, I'm surprised by
    quite how much I use it as a simple alternative to finding sensible
    cycle parking in the city centre.

    It's also a really good bike for riding in traffic. In terms of
    handling, if not motorists' reactions.

    kimble, Nov 12, 2015
  20. In uk.rec.cycling.moderated on Thu, 12 Nov 2015 15:24:14 +0000
    I haven't found problems parking the 'bent but Sydney CBD has a lot of
    places you are allowed to chain your bike. Rings on light poles
    mainly. So far there are not enough casual users to make it hard to
    find a place.

    If I don't need the speed or distance of the train then I prefer
    to take the 'bent into town (20km ride) as folding and hauling/rolling
    the B can be annoying especially in places with small corridors or
    stairs or decorative pavements. I roll on its own wheels when at
    all possible but if I can I like to leave the bike not babysit it.

    It's always the recumbent on the local shopping trips.
    It is certainly easier in tight traffic than the Encore! Recumbents
    have many strengths but nipping through stopped or slow cars is not
    one of them.

    Zebee Johnstone, Nov 12, 2015
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