Police cycle training manual

Discussion in 'Health, Fitness and Training' started by Matt B, Nov 12, 2009.

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    Matt B Guest

    The BBC are reporting that the police are not "going ahead" with their
    training manual.

    The Tax Payer's Alliance are said to have criticised the cost of it and
    The Sun are reported to have ridiculed its content.

    <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/news/8356367.stm>
     
    Matt B, Nov 12, 2009
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    Rob Morley Guest

    Apparently the ACPO doesn't want it either - it seems nobody realises
    that telling people how to ride a bike safely isn't necessarily stating
    the obvious, "common sense", insulting their intelligence ...
     
    Rob Morley, Nov 12, 2009
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    John Clayton Guest

    Also reported on radio 4 earlier today.
    They enjoyed phraseology, particularly how to enter a roundabout.
    Sadly I've forgotten their silly expression for this action.
    Don't think it was "impregnation" nor was it "penetration", but it was damn
    silly.

    John of Ossett
     
    John Clayton, Nov 12, 2009
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    Dave Kahn Guest

    Especially in a specialised application such as policing. This reminds
    me of the fuss that was made a while back over the cost of bikes
    adapted for the police. People seemed to think it was perfectly OK to
    send the police out on £99 BSOs from Halfords. There seems to be a
    general attitude of "it's only cycling so it's not important". If it's
    not important, why give the police bikes in the first place?

    It's easy to imagine a scenario in which an operation fails because a
    bike falls apart, or because police cyclists are too easily out-
    manoeuvred and maybe one of them ends up under a lorry. Then the Sun
    would be the first to howl about the lack of funding for basic
    equipment and the inadequate training given in its use.
     
    Dave Kahn, Nov 12, 2009
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  5. More that it's reinventing the wheel. There already exists a
    perfectly serviceable national adult cycle training standard with
    supporting documentation. Any additional information related to
    pursuit should be much less costly to produce.

    Guy
     
    Just zis Guy, you know?, Nov 12, 2009
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    Rob Morley Guest

    Well, as it apparently deals with things like riding in formation that
    probably aren't covered elsewhere, and AFAICS it's cost nothing so far
    (the quoted cost being a guesstimate by someone of how much it would
    cost to print the books) why not just stick it on a website?
     
    Rob Morley, Nov 12, 2009
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    thirty-six Guest


    negotiation?
     
    thirty-six, Nov 12, 2009
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    Tom Crispin Guest

    I chatted with a police officer who trains PCs and PCSOs. They go
    further than the National Standard for Cycle Training or its related
    text, Cyclecraft. For example, they teach cycling down stairs, along
    pedestrian walkways and mounting kerbs, for example. They also teach
    their cyclists to use their bike to protect themselves against attack.
     
    Tom Crispin, Nov 13, 2009
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    thirty-six Guest

    I dont think any of that would be included in a published training
    manual.
     
    thirty-six, Nov 13, 2009
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    KeithT Guest

    St Johns use the same trainers as the Police for advanced cycle work
    They both get the 'cycling down steps' and 'self-defence using a bike'
    training.
     
    KeithT, Nov 13, 2009
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    thirty-six Guest

    And any cycling manual under the police banner available to purchase
    off the shelf will not include these techniques. These are
    "operational" techniques which they would not want easily available.
    I have a dog training manual from the 60's issued by the home office
    and the difference with later copies is obvious. No attack (that's
    not the word they use) and restraint work is included is the later
    copies. The same with "roadcraft", no emergency operational procedure
    is detailed.
     
    thirty-six, Nov 13, 2009
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    Dave Kahn Guest

    Anything like this highly realistic bicycle-fu clip?
    <
     
    Dave Kahn, Nov 13, 2009
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    KeithT Guest

    HMM, Tax Payers Alliance - posher than the BNP but not as posh as UKIP.
    Leader of TPA not even U.K. resident.

    Had a few trolls on URC in the past.
    Not likely to be cycle-friendly, more "Got orf our roads and don't use
    the pavement, either".
     
    KeithT, Nov 13, 2009
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  14. And represents about as many tax payers as the National Viewers and
    Listeners Association did viewers and listeners.

    I'd quite like to see the police manual for myself, but I suppose that's
    one thing that won't come out of this...
     
    David Damerell, Nov 13, 2009
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  15. [snip]
    It might well just be a drive-on-the-left edition of something
    written by the International Police Mountain Bike Association, which
    is mainly US. Any US material would likely be even more fun than
    British, and maybe easier to find on the web, too.

    Jeremy Parker
     
    Jeremy Parker, Nov 13, 2009
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    citizen142 Guest

    Perhaps it was intended for insurance purposes. Unless you have read
    and signed the manual you would not be covered.

    My pal is a volunteer with a local nature conservation area. New
    recruit turns up - he is a former Fire Service instructor. He was told
    to go on a ladder course! Unless he did they would not be insured for
    him. Perhaps similar illogical thinking?
     
    citizen142, Nov 14, 2009
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  17. Yes, I was saying that this could be done as a supplement. A lot of
    the complaint is about basic bike handling being included in the book.

    Guy
     
    Just zis Guy, you know?, Nov 14, 2009
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    KeithT Guest

    >,
    says...
    Wonderful.

    A set built for a bike fight with lots of poorly disguised ramps.
    Damn modern stuff though, no cardboard boxes - these days it's plastic
    barrels.
     
    KeithT, Nov 16, 2009
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  19. I once talked to the lead guy in the City of London's bike squad - it
    was at a bike show, or something. He was definitely in touch with
    the Americans, and I think was about to go over to train with them,
    at their place on the US Marines base in Quantico, Virginia. I think
    the Met' is also clued up ( as are other groups, like the St. John's
    Ambulance Brigade). Round London, at least, all the training is
    likely pretty useful.

    I can't speak for other places. For example, I think Strathclyde
    police, who are a long way from London, started adopting bikes before
    London did, so they must have done things their own way. Whether
    Britain's police forces have some arrangement to keep in touch with
    other, and learn from each other about bikes, I don't know.

    Jeremy Parker
     
    Jeremy Parker, Nov 16, 2009
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