How to avoid a fixed penalty ticket

Discussion in 'Technical Chat' started by Tom Crispin, Apr 26, 2011.

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    Tom Crispin, Apr 26, 2011
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    Tosspot Guest

    Looks like a Lesbian Porn Movie to me.
    Tosspot, Apr 27, 2011
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    Adam Funk Guest

    I'd be more impressed if the cyclist stated somewhere in his comments
    (maybe I missed something) that he had *not* in fact run the red

    I'm sure we wouldn't condone evasion of a ticket by motorists for
    Adam Funk, Apr 27, 2011
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    Owen Dunn Guest

    Wow. As far as I'm concerned treating a policeman like that is beyond
    the pale. I'm saddened (but unsurprised) that the police took no
    action against him.

    Owen Dunn, Apr 27, 2011
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    Mark Guest

    +1. I think the cyclist took an unnecessarily confrontational
    approach; one that is only going to strengten the myth that all
    cyclists have no respect for the law.

    I amazed to see a policeman actually stopping road users. They never
    seem to do that here.
    (\__/) M.
    (='.'=) Due to the amount of spam posted via googlegroups and
    (")_(") their inaction to the problem. I am blocking some articles
    posted from there. If you wish your postings to be seen by
    everyone you will need use a different method of posting.
    Mark, Apr 27, 2011
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    mrc7--urcm Guest

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    I agree that the cyclist should have been more polite to the policeman,
    However I also think that the policeman didn't handle the situation very
    well. A policeman that stops someone on suspicion of committing an
    offence ought to know the details of the law and also the limitations of
    their own powers to act.

    Also it is perfectly legal for someone to record photographs and images
    in public and the police officer had no right to try and forcibly
    switch off or damage the camera, at least not until they had charged the
    individual with having committed an arrestable offence. At which point
    they could make the arrest, search the individual and take possessions
    into custody.

    mrc7--urcm, Apr 27, 2011
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    Tom Crispin Guest

    I'm saddened (but unsurprised) that the policeman was so incompetent
    that he allowed the cyclist to get away unpunished with shooting a red
    light. While the cyclist was being antagonistic, the policeman was
    clearly lying and turned violent.

    The policeman needs retraining in how to deal with angry people. This
    video shows an excellent example of how to remain calm under fire:
    Tom Crispin, Apr 27, 2011
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    Danny Colyer Guest

    LOL. That's a must for fans of The Muppet Show. I'm not quite sure
    which of the cast was doing the voice for that driver.
    Danny Colyer, Apr 27, 2011
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    Sandy Guest

    Sounds like Elmer Fudd to me.
    Sandy, Apr 27, 2011
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    thirty-six Guest

    I do remember when police officers knew what they were doing and could
    remember the wording when requesting a name and address in answer to
    "Why?" It went something like "You are required, when requested by a
    police officer in the course of his duties... "
    I suspect that accepting a spot fine (taking the documents) is taken
    as a admission of guilt. I think it is quite clear the officer did
    not see the red light facing the cyclist as he crossed the stop line
    and of course there was no admission of guilt. Q. "Do you know why I
    have stopped you?" A. "No." Officer then gives you his
    predudicial account and asks "What have you got to say about that?"
    A. "I have nothing to say to you." There are other options to this
    last answer including pointing out the innacuracies of the officers
    report and explaining to him why he's a tit, but you've got to word it
    carefully. I personally would not engage with an officer who would
    not face me when speaking.
    thirty-six, Apr 28, 2011
  11. If the policeman was incompetent and prepared to lie, maybe the cyclist
    hadn't actually run the red light, which could explain why he was being
    (I suspect the cyclist was just being a dickhead though, and had gone
    through a red light.)
    Alan Braggins, Apr 29, 2011
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    TheOldFellow Guest

    1) The Policeman should have arrested the cameraman/cyclist if indeed
    he had evidence of an offence. I suspect he didn't. But I wonder why
    the video of the crossing of the lights is missing from the clip...

    2) The Cyclist could have arrested the policeman for assault, since it
    occurred before any arrest was made. There was clear evidence of that
    offence on the video. At the very least this should reported to the
    Policeman's superiors, not that anyone expects them to be interested.

    But YouTube is a very blunt instrument, and this is a cowardly thing to

    Once upon a time we had cyclists who obeyed the law.
    Once upon a time we had policemen who preserved the peace.

    Now we have many cyclists who think that the law doesn't apply to them.
    Now we have Government Enforcers in armour with chemical weapons and not
    a policeman to be found anywhere.

    Sad, in'it.
    TheOldFellow, Apr 30, 2011
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