Grauniad on penalties for drivers who kill cyclists

Discussion in 'General Cycling' started by Matthew Vernon, Nov 9, 2010.

  1. Matthew Vernon, Nov 9, 2010
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  2. Matthew Vernon

    bod43 Guest

    Only today I observed a London bus tailing a cyclist
    much less than a second behind. Ludicrous.

    There is actually an easy answer.

    Fit all vehicles with a "flight data recorder" and all
    round video cameras.

    Treat a failure of the system in the same way as
    failing to provide breath test - guilty as f**k.

    Then when the videos are shown in court, and
    the hazard appears before the driver and they take no
    action to mitigate the hazard and people die - send them
    to jail, take their houses and ruin their lives.

    I bet that nearly all cyclist deaths occur in one
    of the following ways.

    Obvious hazard, either not seen by distracted
    driver or not mitigated by callous driver then -

    If motorists feared killing cyclists then far fewer
    deaths would result. At present it is about as serious
    as littering.

    I recently discovered that being sent to jail will
    very likely result in a poor person in a council house
    losing their accomodation. Let's make it the same for
    the rich. Why exactly should being jailed cause more
    suffering to a poor person than to a rich one?
    bod43, Nov 10, 2010
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    EMB Guest

    It's a global problem; no matter how negligent the motorist they seem to
    get off almost scot-free.
    EMB, Nov 10, 2010
  4. Matthew Vernon

    bugbear Guest

    Hmm. Without going into the cynic/realist dillemma, I think the article
    has a good deal of truth in it. It's no good appealing to the "better nature"
    of large companies.

    bugbear, Nov 10, 2010
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    nmm1 Guest

    No soul to damn, no body to kick.

    Nick Maclaren.
    nmm1, Nov 10, 2010
  6. Matthew Vernon

    Mark Guest

    Nice idea but I don't know whether it would work in practise.

    How would all this video footage be stored? How long would it be
    kept? How would you get access to it? How much would it cost to
    build and install?
    Maybe a little more serious than littering ... but not much. But then
    no road deaths are treated adequately seriously IMHO.
    IIRC it's actually the other way. The courts deal lower punishments
    on the rich since they have more "to lose". It may not work this way
    anymore but it certainly used to.

    The article did bring up one point that I had not really considered
    properly: "A worrying suggestion is that the reason the authorities do
    not take cyclists' deaths seriously is because they think that cycling
    ..... is a dangerous activity anyway, and injury is thus an unfortunate

    This seems another excuse for dangerous drivers being let off the hook
    and means that wild claims about cycling being dangerous are actually
    making cycling /more/ dangerous rather than mitigating the problem.
    (\__/) M.
    (='.'=) Due to the amount of spam posted via googlegroups and
    (")_(") their inaction to the problem. I am blocking some articles
    posted from there. If you wish your postings to be seen by
    everyone you will need use a different method of posting.
    Mark, Nov 10, 2010
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    Erzinger is facing charges for allegedly rear-ending cyclist Dr. Steven
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    Alan Braggins, Nov 10, 2010
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    Adam Funk Guest

    Coincidentally, I just used a variation of that in another newsgroup
    recently. I'm sure I've seen it attributed to Andrew Jackson, but I
    can't verify that. Any ideas?
    Adam Funk, Nov 11, 2010
  9. Matthew Vernon

    nmm1 Guest

    Wikipedia thinks Edward Thurlow.

    Nick Maclaren.
    nmm1, Nov 11, 2010
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    Adam Funk Guest

    Adam Funk, Nov 11, 2010
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