"except cycles" sign

Discussion in 'General Cycling' started by Adam Funk, Sep 7, 2011.

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    JNugent Guest

    No necessary contradiction. A bike can be pushed (on foot) the few feet to
    the bike stands.
     
    JNugent, Sep 7, 2011
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    Rob Morley, Sep 7, 2011
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    Yes, I hope that's the explanation.
     
    Adam Funk, Sep 7, 2011
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    I trust you'd consider it equally acceptable if you had to push your
    car a few feet to park it.
     
    Adam Funk, Sep 7, 2011
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    JNugent Guest

    I wouldn't expect to be allowed to park a car in a pedestrian precinct *at all*.

    And I know that you can tell the difference between wheeling a bike a few
    feet or yards and pushing a car a few feet or yards.
     
    JNugent, Sep 7, 2011
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    Simon Mason Guest

    Rotating no entry signs for comic effect seems to be quite widespread,
    I see them quite a lot.
    Reminds me of the time when wags would go to junctions and crossroads
    in the countryside and rotate the village pointers - I remember
    watching an episode of The Avengers where the baddies also carried
    out that same prank.
     
    Simon Mason, Sep 8, 2011
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    I bet you expect the inalienable right to park conveniently near your
    destination, though. And for utility cyclists, that needs to be
    closer than for motorists (since most cyclists don't have a practical
    equivalent of locking shopping in the boot between shops).

    BTW, HC Rule 64 only covers footways along carriageways, not parks,
    pedestrianized streets & precincts, etc. There is also evidence that
    allowing cycling in the latter areas is harmless. (I'm sure someone
    here has the reference for that.)

    A good answer would have been that you have to dismount a few feet
    from a cycle stand anyway. Do you have any experience of that?


    Apart from parking, however, the "don't worry, cyclists can just get
    off and push" mentality fills a good part of _Crap Cycle Lanes_.

    “[How about having] me as a non-driving, non-car owning person
    consulted on motorway design? I’d put bollards across them not
    quite wide enough spaced to fit a Range Rover through without
    scraping the paintwork; chicanes that LGVs can’t fit through
    without disconnecting the cab and trailer; signposts randomly in
    the middle of the lanes; and make it mandatory to get out of the
    car and push when approaching any junctions.â€

    http://www.bikehub.co.uk/news/susta...cyclists-ignore-the-existing-ones-says-study/
     
    Adam Funk, Sep 8, 2011
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    Simon Mason Guest

    Reminds me of this story regarding the chaos caused by the school run.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...aused-dozens-parents-collecting-children.html

    No wonder schools want to encourage walking and cycling to school.
     
    Simon Mason, Sep 8, 2011
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    kimble Guest

    Seems to be standard procedure on Sustrans paths, unfortunately. That
    signs are often infrequent and typically bear nothing but route numbers
    makes it that much harder to realise what's happened.


    Kim.
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    kimble, Sep 9, 2011
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    JNugent Guest

    If you mean "inalienable" in its correct sense (ie, that no-one has a right
    to prevent me from parking purely for the sake of it or because they don't
    agree with my choice of transport), you are right.
    Who's arguing?
    Who raised it as a topic? Other than the person who posted the link to the
    picture, I mean.
    Not of using a cycle stand, no.
    Now you're just being silly.
     
    JNugent, Sep 9, 2011
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    Cool - I happened to be in Culemborg last June.
    IIRC, I had a car wash there that was more like a fairground ride - a
    bloke pushed you onto a moving ramp which took you through a long
    tunnel of washes and drying.
    It was a bit scary.
     
    Simon Mason, Sep 9, 2011
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    How far does this right to park go? Are councils obliged to tarmac
    over as much land or build as many unsightly multi-storey car parks as
    necessary to let every selfish, wasteful person commute by
    single-occupancy car at the same time?

    It was worth clarifying because you wrote "pedestrian precinct".

    What kind of cycling do you do?

    If you were familiar with using badly designed cycling facilities,
    you'd understand the analogies. (Look at that book, or the Warrington
    Cycle Campaign's website.)
     
    Adam Funk, Sep 9, 2011
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    In my experience walking five yards with a bike to lock it to a cycle
    stand does not count as a badly designed facility, simply because it
    isn't a big deal.

    Here's one I use without issue every weekend:
    http://tinyurl.com/3n4rgld

    There are places where you don't have to dismount early if it really is
    a problem for you:

    http://tinyurl.com/42wdm6s
    http://tinyurl.com/4x8qdrt
     
    Adam Lea, Sep 9, 2011
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    JNugent Guest

    Did anyone say that?
    There's always a clue in the word "pedestrian", isn't there?
    That's actually not your business. Do I ask you (or anyone) questions along
    the same lines?
    I understand the point you were trying to make. That doesn't mean much.
     
    JNugent, Sep 10, 2011
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    Well, you said "no-one has a right to prevent me from parking [for
    certain reasons]". A council might decide to constrain the supply of
    parking in order to reduce congestion, or to preserve green land, even
    though there isn't "enough" parking for all the people who want
    (rather than need) to drive single-occupancy cars.

    It's a perfectly reasonable thing to ask someone in a cycling
    newsgroup. If we were in a cooking or photography newsgroup, you
    might ask me what kind of recipes I like to try or what kind of photos
    I like to take. There's no good reason to be sensitive about that.

    (I cycle mainly for commuting, but also for shopping and recreation.)
     
    Adam Funk, Sep 10, 2011
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    In all seriousness, I agree about the placement of stands. I have no
    problem with pushing it a few yards at the beginning or end of a
    journey.

    But the "it's OK, those cyclists can always just push" attitude does
    indicate ignorance and lack of interest in cycling, and leads to
    objectionable situations, such as following signposted cycle routes
    and encountering "cyclists dismount" signs or barriers that cannot be
    negotiated while riding a bike (with panniers or a trailer).
     
    Adam Funk, Sep 10, 2011
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