BIke choice (getting back on the bike)

Discussion in 'Cycling Archive' started by Dan Sheppard, Oct 26, 2013.

  1. 6" behind the stem line. Of course, that will vary immensely with
    the frame geometry and bar height above saddle. If I recall, hand
    position on North Road Raised was 8+" behind.

    Nick Maclaren.
    Nick Maclaren, Nov 3, 2013
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    Rob Morley Guest

    Indeed. I may succumb at some point.
    Rob Morley, Nov 3, 2013
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    Rob Morley Guest

    On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 17:22:09 +0000
    You don't run the joined bit in an outer casing - you stick a couple of
    cable stops on the frame and join the exposed cable between them.
    Rob Morley, Nov 3, 2013
  4. Oh, for heaven's sake! Even for people capable of it, which is
    NOT a majority among the population, that's a ghastly solution.
    It increases the maintenance requirements considerably, provides
    a way to oil your clothes, and is unreliable for brake cables,
    which may have to take forces of several hundred pounds. And, yes,
    I have had to do similar things :-(

    Anything can be done, including building a bicycle from scratch,
    but most cyclists (and especially, potential cyclists) are neither
    capable of nor interested in doing that sort of task just to get
    a bicycle that they can ride comfortably.

    Nick Maclaren.
    Nick Maclaren, Nov 3, 2013
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    Rob Morley Guest

    On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 18:07:17 +0000
    You're such a drama queen. I shan't encourage you further.
    Rob Morley, Nov 3, 2013
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    Danny Colyer Guest

    Actually Danny didn't, Alan Braggins did. Attributions have been snipped.

    That comment reminds me of a great uncle's refusal to eat curry. His
    reasoning was that curry was invented in order to mask the flavour of
    rotten meat, therefore any meat used in a curry must be rotten.

    It may well be that the Pedersen uses a handlebar of a style that has
    been used on other bikes to facilitate a crouch. It does *not* follow
    that such is its function on the Pedersen.
    Danny Colyer, Nov 3, 2013
  7. Part No. K735AZ (the complete)
    X81AZ (inner etc)
    Antonius Liberalis, Nov 3, 2013
  8. Having changed cables and cut the unwanted fitting off one end on
    a number of occasions, I understood it perfectly. Since you apparently
    don't - brake cables almost always come with fittings for different
    levers at each end, only one of which is ever needed (one is for flat
    bar levers, one for drop bar levers).
    Cables need to be cut to length. When you cut it to length, you discard
    the unwanted end. The cut end is clamped at the brake end, and doesn't
    have a fitting except a cap crimped on after cutting.

    None of which is particularly relevant, as it's having to change the
    cable _outer_ when you significantly change handlebar height which is
    a nuisance. Fitting new inner cables is just routine maintenance.

    If my "unlike you", you mean that I have _successfully_ done the
    modification, without backing off, then you are correct, but remarkably
    unclear. If you just assumed I hadn't even tried, you are completely
    wrong. Again.

    And while the handlebars I was raising are still far too low for your
    tastes, they were on a tandem. This might give you a clue as to why I
    know the idea that brake cables long enough for a solo bike with a long
    stem are not available "for love nor money" is complete rubbish.

    Cutting a cable to length may be beyond your capabilities, but it is
    _not_ a tricky job for a competent bike mechanic.

    (And if you really have a bike that can not use any brake that uses a
    standard brake cable, that's a different issue.)
    Alan Braggins, Nov 3, 2013
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    Danny Colyer Guest

    I posted 5 links. Three were to photographs of people riding Pedersens.

    Yes, one has the saddle far too low for her. The others have the saddle
    lower than I would choose to use. I don't know how adjustable the
    saddle height is on a Pedersen, although makes it clear that
    (as with DF bikes) they are made in different sizes to suit different
    sized riders.

    That is, in any case, irrelevant to the original point that the Pedersen
    has a very upright riding position.
    Danny Colyer, Nov 3, 2013
  10. The perfection of understanding is solely within your experience;
    clearly mine is more extensive.

    I told you one make where that is not the case. SRAM hub brakes,
    which are not rare on uprights. At the wheel end, there is a
    complicated fitting, which is unique to those brakes. However, I
    have seen other, similar but different fittings on several other

    I know that there is, theoretically, a replacement fitting that
    can be bolted on, but have you ever tried to get such a thing?
    Well, obviously not :-(
    Try widening your horizons. That is NOT universally true - and
    possibly not even true for the majority of uprights in Europe,
    nowadays. The number in the UK is too small to be significant.
    I suggest not assuming that you have seen everything. I have seen
    several bicycles where that is not true, and my current one is just
    one such. And, no, it is NOT all that unusual among uprights.

    I should also point out that there is little point in extending
    the brake cables if you cannot extend the gear cables, and my
    original remark applied to both.
    No, it is you that are wrong. I have successfully done what you
    say, many, many times. That is not the point. But I have also
    encountered bicycles that are not like that, and it has not been
    easy to get them going again.

    Nick Maclaren.
    Nick Maclaren, Nov 3, 2013
  11. All female and with very low saddle positions for upright use.
    So are most bicycles. And the issue is mostly about how adjustable
    the handlebar height is.
    Does it? As the context was for a taller rider (i.e. of over 6'),
    I fail to see that you have provided any evidence for that. I have
    bitter experience of that bogus claim over several decades.

    Nick Maclaren.
    Nick Maclaren, Nov 3, 2013
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    Adam Funk Guest

    "This curry is inedible muck, & there's not enough of it." (Sir Henry
    Adam Funk, Nov 3, 2013
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    Clive George Guest

    Would the lack of availability of cables be to do with lack of
    availability of the hub? :)

    Fortunately the Shimano hubs are pretty good and the shifters take
    standard derailleur cables. I'd be surprised if the Shimano hub brakes
    didn't also take standard brake cables. So the problem will
    significantly diminish over time.
    Clive George, Nov 3, 2013
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    Adam Funk Guest

    6" behind the stem line *sounds* like a lot to me, but I guess I might
    be surprised if I went out & measure my "flat" ones; does that
    distance refer to the very ends of the handlebars, or the middle of
    the grips?
    Adam Funk, Nov 3, 2013
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    Adam Funk Guest

    For computing or transport?
    Adam Funk, Nov 3, 2013
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    soup Guest

    Too small to be significant???
    I must be misunderstanding or something but EVERY brake system I have
    seen (OK I am only one person but virtually [not watched them all,
    but...] every video on YouTube agrees with me) uses cables pretty much
    in the method that Alan describes.

    Another possibility occurs to me . Are you two talking at cross purposes?

    Not a fan of the ridiculous crouched over position but the bike I have
    now wasn't special order or anything like that, but then I use a less
    crouched position because I prefer to look about rather than because I
    have posture problems.
    soup, Nov 3, 2013
  17. Um? I'd love you to point out when. Then I will, if I was.

    Cheers - Jaimie
    Jaimie Vandenbergh, Nov 3, 2013
  18. While I have no desire to engage in handbags-at-dawn, SRAM does indicate that
    gear cables for their S7 hub (for example) come in eight lengths, from about
    57 inches to over 80 inches; it would be a very unusual cycle that one would not fit.

    And of passing interest, the front and rear Sachs hubs on one of the cycles in
    the shed both have nipple one end, bolt-clamp the other - as supplied.
    Antonius Liberalis, Nov 4, 2013
  19. And yet you repeatedly accuse me of mistakes I haven't made. Odd that.

    What part of "almost always" didn't you understand?

    Had you said "there exists a tiny fraction of bikes for which suitable
    cables are not available", I doubt anyone would have been surprised.
    Alan Braggins, Nov 4, 2013
  20. Rohloff cables are single ended. Shimano Nexus and Alfine cables
    are single ended. The 5-speed Sturmey Archer I have might not be
    "fancier", but I believe the fancier SAs also use single ended cables.
    And at least some SRAM hubs are also designed to use single ended
    replacement cables.

    So "a few, certainly not most, fancy hub gears", would perhaps
    be more accurate. (And bikes with fancy hub gears being a fairly small
    proportion of all bikes.)

    So while you yourself may have a bike where it is difficult to
    change the cable length, it certainly isn't generally true that
    it can't be done.
    Alan Braggins, Nov 4, 2013
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