Benefits of cycle training

Discussion in 'Health, Fitness and Training' started by Alex Potter, Jan 9, 2011.

  1. Alex Potter

    Matt B Guest

    If you realise that motor vehicle drivers are giving you more room, you
    may undertake a more risky manoeuvre - one which assumes that that extra
    room will be given.
    You might assume that, but "rarely get", "sometimes get", "usually get",
    "always get", ... will almost certainly result in different factor
    values being used in your subconscious risk assessment calculation.
    Are you always conscious of the largely subconscious process that
    delivers risk compensating behaviour?
    Matt B, Jan 13, 2011
    1. Advertisements

  2. Alex Potter

    Rob Morley Guest

    Expecting following vehicles to give more space, and to not overtake in
    marginal situations, could result in false confidence that following
    vehicles will not overtake when approaching hazards.
    Rob Morley, Jan 13, 2011
    1. Advertisements

  3. I'm led to understand by motorcycling friends that comparison of the
    figures from US states with and without lid laws suggests this one isn't
    as obvious as it looks at first glance, either. No idea if that's true.
    David Damerell, Jan 13, 2011
  4. I was a member of MAG (Motorcycle Action Group) for many years, and probably
    still am, technically, although I agreed not to receive their magazine
    anymore after I sold my last motorcycle in 2,000. I seem to remember them
    claiming there was little difference in fatalities between helmet wearers
    and non-wearers, but the latter actually had slightly *fewer* accidents as
    they took less risks.

    - .. -- Tim .-., Jan 13, 2011
  5. Alex Potter

    Peter Clinch Guest

    I /might/, but I'm passed closer than I'd like often enough even on
    the machines where I /typically/ get more room that I'm reminded
    it's not a given.
    "Always get" and "never get" are the only two where it makes much

    There are lots of wee single track roads up glens I drive along to
    go hillwalking. I hardly ever meet stuff coming the other way.
    According to your theory I'll go haring round the numerous blind
    corners as the "hardly ever" means I can make my driving more
    risky. But actually, I always approach with the knowledge that
    what's around the corner is an unknown.
    I'm well aware I risk compensate, but I do it most obviously where
    I'm in control of what happens. So I'll go down hills and through
    bends much quicker on the better handling, better braking 'bent
    than I will on my cargo bike. I'll shimmy through traffic far more
    readily on the Brom because the short wheelbase and wee wheels give
    me better maneuvering than other bikes. I'm not in control of the
    guy overtaking me, so Im not so likely to assume I amume I am.

    The risk compensation it's obvious I do isn't a conscious decision,
    but it is obvious that I do it with the benefit of hindsight. If I
    am risk compensating with assuming more space it's a /considerably/
    smaller effect than the HS-33s on the 'bent against the bub brakes
    on the 8 Freight, or the handling of the Brom against the triplet.

    Peter Clinch, Jan 13, 2011
  6. Alex Potter

    Mike Sales Guest

    "David Damerell" wrote
    In "Risk" John Adams reproduces the cover of a pro motor cycle helmet
    leaflet from the USA. It plots on a graph the number of motorcycle
    fatalities over time, and marks the dates on which various states passed
    compulsion laws, and the dates some of the states repealed them. On the
    surface it makes a good case. The number of deaths falls precipitately as
    laws are passed and then rises again as they are repealed. Adams
    disaggregates the figures for repeal and non repeal states and redraws the
    graph. The rise in death numbers is considerably greater in the non repeal
    states. The helmeteers are either dishonest, or so convinced they are right
    that they are careless with their thinking. Adams points out that the
    change in numbers may have more to do with the changing price of petrol, as
    the period concerned includes the oil price crisis of 1973.
    This is from memory as my copy of "Risk" is in storage.
    Once again I recommend the book to every interested cyclist. John Adams is
    professor at University College London, and the book is published by UCL
    Press. His website and blog are at

    Mike Sales
    Mike Sales, Jan 13, 2011
  7. Alex Potter

    Matt B Guest

    Logically, yes. But we know that people work on balance of expectations
    rather than 100% or 0% definites.
    Not necessarily you, but personalities with a great enough acceptable
    risk threshold may. We know that wrt to risk tolerance and, even risk
    requirement, different values apply to different people.
    Have there /ever/ been any crashes on those roads?
    You sound like you are blessed with the low risk taking personality type.
    Matt B, Jan 14, 2011
    1. Advertisements

Ask a Question

Want to reply to this thread or ask your own question?

You'll need to choose a username for the site, which only take a couple of moments (here). After that, you can post your question and our members will help you out.